[BigBadDriver]

I have some bad news for you if you need that check now, you're not getting it.

Here's the summary:

If your 2019 or 2018 tax return includes ANYONE who as an ITIN number as opposed to a social security number, you're not getting jack.

An ITIN number is an alternate social security number for non-US citizens to use when filing US tax returns. ITINs are used by:

Certain legal US visa holders, who are not citizens but are liable for US taxes

or

Out of status immigrants (a/k/a Illegals) who work in the US and want to file taxes and get returns).

The stimulus package not only excludes those holding ITIN numbers from received the $1,200 but if you have a "mixed" tax return - one person has an ITIN number and everyone else has a Social Security #, then NO ONE RECEIVES THE STIMULUS PAYMENT.

Here's two real life examples:

1. My wife has an ITIN number. She has an H1B visa. Because we file jointly, not only is she not receiving $1,200 but I'm not receiving $1,200 (and I was born in the US and I've had a social security number for longer than most of you have been alive). My accountant ran the numbers and it's still in our favor to file jointly for 2019 and lose the $2,400 than to file separately with me getting $1,200. And because my wife's status will be adjusted before the 2021 tax season, we should (not guaranteed) be able to get the full tax credit of $2,400 for next year. I'm not counting on it, but if that comes thru, it'll be a nice gift.

2. I know a guy who entered the US illegally, married a US citizen and has three children born in the US. So the family has 4 US citizens and ! illegal ITIN holder. They should get $1,200 + $1,200 (both adults) and 3 kids = $500 + $500 + $500 = $3,900. But because there is ONE ITIN holder on the tax return, they are getting ABSOLUTELY ZERO.

This isn't a political statement. This is reality.

I've had the same accountant for 20+ years. He's old school - he meets me at my home every year - when I'm in town. Or we Skype and go over everything face-to-face. That's why I trust him.

But don't trust me. Look it up yourself via these links...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/perspectives/stimulus-checks-undocumented-taxpayers/index.html

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/po...-immigrants-wont-get-stimulus-checks/2304360/

https://money.yahoo.com/who-does-the-2-trillion-stimulus-bill-leave-out-190504029.html

 

[melo823]

Your wife has H1B visa, but she doesn't have SSN?

 

[BigBadDriver]

Correct.

 

[Kelvy7]

Wow that sucks man I’m sure all that money would be of great help right now for your family. Hopefully they will come up with something to help everyone including anyone with an ITIN #.

 

[BigBadDriver]

Wow that sucks man I'm sure all that money would be of great help right now for your family. Hopefully they will come up with something to help everyone including anyone with an ITIN #.

It's all good. Wasn't expecting anything. We're chilling.

They're saying in the next stimulus package that ITINs will get $1,200. But that's what politicians do: talk, talk, talk.

Don't get me wrong: I'd love a $2,400 tax credit - who wouldn't???

If we get it, good. If not, no problem.

I focus my energy on things I can control, not the other way around...

 

[moreno86]

It's all good. Wasn't expecting anything. We're chilling.

They're saying in the next stimulus package that ITINs will get $1,200. But that's what politicians do: talk, talk, talk.

Don't get me wrong: I'd love a $2,400 tax credit - who wouldn't???

If we get it, good. If not, no problem.

I focus my energy on things I can control, not the other way around...

In 2018 my wife had an ITIN number and we filed jointly, but now she has a social security number and I just filed the 2019 taxes with her valid SSN, so I should be good

 

[Oh-Lord]

This! Guy @BigBadDriver is one of those suburban drivers. He prolly makes $800 a day. Not counting his money but his situation must be different from the average ant.

 

[aluber1968]

I have some bad news for you if you need that check now, you're not getting it.

Here's the summary:

If your 2019 or 2018 tax return includes ANYONE who as an ITIN number as opposed to a social security number, you're not getting jack.

An ITIN number is an alternate social security number for non-US citizens to use when filing US tax returns. ITINs are used by:

Certain legal US visa holders, who are not citizens but are liable for US taxes

or

Out of status immigrants (a/k/a Illegals) who work in the US and want to file taxes and get returns).

The stimulus package not only excludes those holding ITIN numbers from received the $1,200 but if you have a "mixed" tax return - one person has an ITIN number and everyone else has a Social Security #, then NO ONE RECEIVES THE STIMULUS PAYMENT.

Here's two real life examples:

1. My wife has an ITIN number. She has an H1B visa. Because we file jointly, not only is she not receiving $1,200 but I'm not receiving $1,200 (and I was born in the US and I've had a social security number for longer than most of you have been alive). My accountant ran the numbers and it's still in our favor to file jointly for 2019 and lose the $2,400 than to file separately with me getting $1,200. And because my wife's status will be adjusted before the 2021 tax season, we should (not guaranteed) be able to get the full tax credit of $2,400 for next year. I'm not counting on it, but if that comes thru, it'll be a nice gift.

2. I know a guy who entered the US illegally, married a US citizen and has three children born in the US. So the family has 4 US citizens and ! illegal ITIN holder. They should get $1,200 + $1,200 (both adults) and 3 kids = $500 + $500 + $500 = $3,900. But because there is ONE ITIN holder on the tax return, they are getting ABSOLUTELY ZERO.

This isn't a political statement. This is reality.

I've had the same accountant for 20+ years. He's old school - he meets me at my home every year - when I'm in town. Or we Skype and go over everything face-to-face. That's why I trust him.

But don't trust me. Look it up yourself via these links...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/perspectives/stimulus-checks-undocumented-taxpayers/index.html

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/po...-immigrants-wont-get-stimulus-checks/2304360/

https://money.yahoo.com/who-does-the-2-trillion-stimulus-bill-leave-out-190504029.html

I assume that your accountant did the scenario married filing separately. Even if it is a wash or you end up paying a drop more in tax, it may still be to your advantage. Who knows how long this lockdown will last and if there are any other stimulus that you will end up forfeiting this way.
Just my opinion.

 

[BigBadDriver]

This! Guy @BigBadDriver is one of those suburban drivers. He prolly makes $800 a day. Not counting his money but his situation must be different from the average ant.

I don't drive anymore. Drove yellow 2009-2014. I used to hit $900 on a Saturday/Sunday shift - but that was 20 hours! No suburbs for me - I'm in Crown Heights...

I assume that your accountant did the scenario married filing separately. Even if it is a wash or you end up paying a drop more in tax, it may still be to your advantage. Who knows how long this lockdown will last and if there are any other stimulus that you will end up forfeiting this way.
Just my opinion.

Yes, my accountant ran it both ways. Basically a wash. So we're filing jointly for 2019 and there's a good chance we'll get the $2,400 as a tax credit for 2020. It's an informed, calculated risk that we're willing to take...

In 2018 my wife had an ITIN number and we filed jointly, but now she has a social security number and I just filed the 2019 taxes with her valid SSN, so I should be good

You're golden. That's exactly our strategy for next year. Adjusting visa status, she gets the SS# and we file jointly in 2020.

 

[Vivobot]

An h1b holder must have an ssn. If not get an ssn within 90 days of the arrival, their h1b Visa will be terminated. She must have h4 visa, spouse of an h1b holder who do not have work permit.
Ssn+itin = no check
Ssn+ssn(even if she is out of statues) = kaching

Source: well I have cousin who arrived from the uk with h1b and his wife has h4 with work permit. I asked them and they said they will receive the grant according to their accountant.

 

[uba4cash]

I have some bad news for you if you need that check now, you're not getting it.

Here's the summary:

If your 2019 or 2018 tax return includes ANYONE who as an ITIN number as opposed to a social security number, you're not getting jack.

An ITIN number is an alternate social security number for non-US citizens to use when filing US tax returns. ITINs are used by:

Certain legal US visa holders, who are not citizens but are liable for US taxes

or

Out of status immigrants (a/k/a Illegals) who work in the US and want to file taxes and get returns).

The stimulus package not only excludes those holding ITIN numbers from received the $1,200 but if you have a "mixed" tax return - one person has an ITIN number and everyone else has a Social Security #, then NO ONE RECEIVES THE STIMULUS PAYMENT.

Here's two real life examples:

1. My wife has an ITIN number. She has an H1B visa. Because we file jointly, not only is she not receiving $1,200 but I'm not receiving $1,200 (and I was born in the US and I've had a social security number for longer than most of you have been alive). My accountant ran the numbers and it's still in our favor to file jointly for 2019 and lose the $2,400 than to file separately with me getting $1,200. And because my wife's status will be adjusted before the 2021 tax season, we should (not guaranteed) be able to get the full tax credit of $2,400 for next year. I'm not counting on it, but if that comes thru, it'll be a nice gift.

2. I know a guy who entered the US illegally, married a US citizen and has three children born in the US. So the family has 4 US citizens and ! illegal ITIN holder. They should get $1,200 + $1,200 (both adults) and 3 kids = $500 + $500 + $500 = $3,900. But because there is ONE ITIN holder on the tax return, they are getting ABSOLUTELY ZERO.

This isn't a political statement. This is reality.

I've had the same accountant for 20+ years. He's old school - he meets me at my home every year - when I'm in town. Or we Skype and go over everything face-to-face. That's why I trust him.

But don't trust me. Look it up yourself via these links...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/perspectives/stimulus-checks-undocumented-taxpayers/index.html

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/po...-immigrants-wont-get-stimulus-checks/2304360/

https://money.yahoo.com/who-does-the-2-trillion-stimulus-bill-leave-out-190504029.html

the congress effed up here, why would they punish everyone in the family if somebody has itin. All the illegal immigrants who have kids born in america and have US citizenship pay taxes with their ITIN and were never eligible for earned income tax credit that we all get. they deserve the help as much as we do.

 

[pinnacle]

Ok , here is my situation , my accountant fk up , used my wifes old ITIN number , when she filed for 2018 , then she refiled 1040x with correct SSN , now 1040x is on hold , message says I need to call them , but no live IRS assistance now , I guess Im not getting a thing either just emailed my accountant 2019 tax info , im not waiting till july15. ,

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[BigBadDriver]

An h1b holder must have an ssn. If not get an ssn within 90 days of the arrival, their h1b Visa will be terminated. She must have h4 visa, spouse of an h1b holder who do not have work permit.
Ssn+itin = no check
Ssn+ssn(even if she is out of statues) = kaching

Source: well I have cousin who arrived from the uk with h1b and his wife has h4 with work permit. I asked them and they said they will receive the grant according to their accountant.

You are correct

Ok , here is my situation , my accountant fk up , used my wifes old ITIN number , when she filed for 2018 , then she refiled 1040x with correct SSN , now 1040x is on hold , message says I need to call them , but no live IRS assistance now , I guess Im not getting a thing either just emailed my accountant 2019 tax info , im not waiting till july15. ,

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If you file your 2019 with both SS#, you're good.

There's a decent chance on the next stimulus package that the ITIN exclusion will be deleted.

You know how there's always an argument at the end, the bill stalls, they throw in a couple things for each side - that may happen with the ITIN filers. But I never count on the government to do right by the people they serve, only themselves...

the congress effed up here, why would they punish everyone in the family if somebody has itin. All the illegal immigrants who have kids born in america and have US citizenship pay taxes with their ITIN and were never eligible for earned income tax credit that we all get. they deserve the help as much as we do.

I agree with you. If you are filing with an ITIN then you're in the system and paying taxes.

And let's be honest, most people who have ITIN numbers are not working 6 figure jobs. They're doing important, but low - paying work. So they'll be the first to stay on a job or look for work right now. It's either that or tell your family there's no money to buy food...

 

[uba4cash]

You are correct


If you file your 2019 with both SS#, you're good.

There's a decent chance on the next stimulus package that the ITIN exclusion will be deleted.

You know how there's always an argument at the end, the bill stalls, they throw in a couple things for each side - that may happen with the ITIN filers. But I never count on the government to do right by the people they serve, only themselves...


I agree with you. If you are filing with an ITIN then you're in the system and paying taxes.

And let's be honest, most people who have ITIN numbers are not working 6 figure jobs. They're doing important, but low - paying work. So they'll be the first to stay on a job or look for work right now. It's either that or tell your family there's no money to buy food...

i always felt sorry for those family where both parents have ITIN, have 3,4 us citizen kids. They pay all the taxes, dont get any refunds when they file taxes. Most of them work low paying jobs.