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What's going on here? Creative math/accounting?

Ride-hailing drivers in California are taking home about $6.20 an hour under a law that was approved by the state’s voters a couple of years ago, according to a report published Wednesday.

Proposition 22, which is in legal limbo after a court deemed it unconstitutional last year, among other things promised 120% of the state’s minimum wage to gig workers. But according to the report developed by the National Equity Atlas and Rideshare Drivers United, which the groups say is the first driver-led study using directly collected earnings data and working conditions to assess the impact of Prop. 22, the reality falls far short of that promise.

 

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What's going on here? Creative math/accounting?
Of course.

Uber has always used creative/math accounting.

IIRC the law (written by Uber) states that drivers make 120% of minimum wage while on a fare.

No fare, no pay.

Creative accounting is what Uber does best.
 

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Of course.

Uber has always used creative/math accounting.

IIRC the law (written by Uber) states that drivers make 120% of minimum wage while on a fare.

No fare, no pay.

Creative accounting is what Uber does best.
Do they just let anyone be an administrator on this site? You don’t have to have any critical thinking skills at all????? Lucky for you!
 

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What's going on here? Creative math/accounting?
I read the article multiple times. The authors are claiming that the employee “benefits” such as unemployment insurance, paid sick time etc are equal to $20.16/hour. Which is incredibly misleading because it assigns a value to benefits that aren’t always used and in most cases can’t be used together. Like you can’t be on unemployment insurance and still have paid sick days. Yes they both have “value” but you can’t add em all up and say that Uber drivers are missing out on $20/hr.

The article actually made a better case for how badly employees are getting ripped off by all these so called “rights” or “benefits”.
 

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What's going on here? Creative math/accounting?
I read the article multiple times. The authors are claiming that the employee “benefits” such as unemployment insurance, paid sick time etc are equal to $20.16/hour. Which is incredibly misleading because it assigns a value to benefits that aren’t always used and in most cases can’t be used together. Like you can’t be on unemployment insurance and still have paid sick days. Yes they both have “value” but you can’t add em all up and say that Uber drivers are missing out on $20/hr.

The article actually made a better case for how badly employees are getting ripped off by all these so called “rights” or “benefits”.
Creative math and statistics is what Uber does best as long as they reel in the suckers.

I'll bite on your logic, so we phase out benefits that can't be used at the same time and end up with what? 15 bucks less? tell them to correct it as they probably get paid 11 bucks an hour, still trash pay, putting a ribbon on a turd doesn't make it more desirable.
 

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Creative math and statistics is what Uber does best as long as they reel in the suckers.

I'll bite on your logic, so we phase out benefits that can't be used at the same time and end up with what? 15 bucks less? tell them to correct it as they probably get paid 11 bucks an hour, still trash pay, putting a ribbon on a turd doesn't make it more desirable.
Okay let’s talk about those benefits:

Sick pay: you earn 1 hour of sick pay for every 30 hours worked in CA. For an $18/hr worker they have to work 240 hours in order to be able to take a full paid sick day which give them a total of $144 before taxes. Legally the sick days can’t be used for vacation and if you are out more than two days you need a doctors note to come back to work.

Analysis: I’d imagine most of us would rather have the ability to keep the $26/hr and save up to take off whenever the **** we want. I certainly don’t see being forced to work 240 hours before I can get a potential $144 benefit. Furthermore this benefit does not roll over into the next year. Use it or lose it.

Next up Unemployment Insurance:

As an employee you generally DO NOT receive unemployment payments if you are fired for cause.

In rideshare the overwhelming majority of deactivations are what would be considered as being fired for cause. Yes there are some unfair deactivations and it’s not a perfect system, so some people do get screwed out of an opportunity, BUT virtually no one would actually qualify for unemployment as the industry is constantly hiring. The small numbers of folks that would qualify for UI do not even come close to justifying the drop in wages we would receive for being an employee.

Analysis: another “benefit” that doesn’t really mean anything or put any real $$ in your pocket

On to the Workers Compensation:

Prop 22 requires the companies to purchase injury protection insurance that will pay you up to $1330 PER WEEK for two years if injured in an accident or for any of the covered incidents. This is in ADDITION to any insurance payments you receive in the event of a no fault accident. No case managers and check ins, just straight cash homie. Uber also offers you the ability to buy more protection through its relationship with Stride. Multiple low cost options to even further protect yourself and/or family.

Analysis: Probably a wash on this one. Most of the Uber/Lyft injuries will be double dipped with insurance as it’s most likely the injury will occur in an accident. However workers compensation is a much more established system that probably covers more injuries and would have higher total payouts in the event of career ending injuries. Short term injuries are better in the Prop 22 system and long term disability stuff is better through WC. Wash.

Health Insurance: 1000% win for Prop 22. I have a friend with virtually the same HMO that I have through his company. It’s a multi billion dollar energy company with amazing benefits. His monthly contribution to his own plan is $180 out of his paycheck after 40-60 hours of work per week. My plan cost $570 a month or $1710 per quarter. If I work the same amount of hours as my friend I would qualify for the full payout from Uber and the lower tier payout from Lyft. That would be $1911, which means I actually would have $201 per quarter to put towards anything I want. Drivers who pull max hours can actually double Dip the upper tier for $2550 per quarter.

  • side note, if you don’t qualify for the stipends it’s because someone else is already paying for your healthcare insurance in some form or another so spare me the “what about” arguments
  • side not #2, full time drivers know how to stay busy and when to work to get the easiest “engaged” time so also please spare me the lane ass arguments about only being “engaged” 50% of the time while bragging about a 13% acceptance rate.
  • Side note #3 part time employees generally don’t qualify for any health insurance and most large corporations will cap your hours to 30-32 per week to avoid having to pay the ACA mandated benefits of anyone averaging 32 hours a week. I imagine a majority of Ubers workforce would be capped at 30 hours a week in order to save on this employee “benefit”

Im tired of typing for now, I need to get stoned and start to get ready for golf. I’m playing on a whim today because the flexibility being a rideshare driver gives me alllows me to do so. Prop 22 allows me to do so confidently knowing I have earnings protections when I’M ready and willing to work………
 

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Do they just let anyone be an administrator on this site? You don’t have to have any critical thinking skills at all????? Lucky for you!
I don't need a lot of "critical thinking skills" to realize that Uber is the master of creative/math accounting.

What's your excuse?
 

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“Ride-hailing drivers in California are taking home about $6.20 an hour under a law that was approved by the state’s voters”
As if voters in California have any brains…
California becomes a larger shithole with each passing election. :poop:
 

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I don't need a lot of "critical thinking skills" to realize that Uber is the master of creative/math accounting.

What's your excuse?
Do I need an excuse? I make over $40/hr from the time I leave my house till the time I come back. Including my meal breaks, Deadmiler69 time and the occasional driving range visit. I’m not a cry baby who needs to be paid when I’m not accepting rides. Maybe some of y’all just need to get better at the job?
 

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"I need to get stoned and start to get ready for golf."

Never mind. No need to explain.
Ok boomer, I’m not allowed to take some time off to enjoy myself before a big weekend of work? Between midnight Toni and 10 am on Monday my expected earnings are over $2000.

Don’t be a judgy ******* just cuz you don’t like cannabis.
 

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As if voters in California have any brains…
California becomes a larger shithole with each passing election. :poop:
What did someone do to you to make you so angry at EVERYTHING? I feel like you need a hug. You wanna meet up for a joint and a hug? One arm up, one down so it’s a comforting but not sexual hug. Two bro taps at the end?
 

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I said two bro taps and alternating arm embrace. That’s the 2nd least gay hug there is behind the “arm wrestle hand lock into a single back pound with a deep waist bend so the genitals maintain max spacing at all times” hug. That one is not comforting at all and I’m trying to make you feel feelings again. I’m an excellent hugger.
 
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